sjkumar
05-01 11:10 AM
Defence deals , trade , outsourcing and immigration have always been very closely related all these years . The main reason that Obama was in India was to sell American wares and the No 1 list of his agenda was the $10.1 Billion MMRCA deal apart from future contracts on India's Nuclear Power generation program.
India on the other hand too has always lobbied the US on H1Bs and overall outsourcing issue and the deliberate maligning of Indian outsourcing companies was responded to with a warning by India that the US will be seriously disadvantaged in its other trade with India should US politicians continue to target Indian IT companies and IT engineers particularly.
This was clear in the Doha talks starting in 2007 and later years in where India chose to bring specifically the H1-B visa issue always , although the Doha talks might not have been the right forum to bring such issues. ( see link below )
India Links Visa Flap with Doha Talks (http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/may2007/gb20070518_492934.htm)
"The country's Commerce & Industry Minister says stories of work visa abuse by outsourcing companies could hurt chances for a global trade deal "
So the carrot of "Global trade" with India was being used very effectively so far by India to lobby for getting other concessions in the outsourcing industry and I am not sure how much this is going to be possible now .
In reality the level of Indo US relations has reached has never been so low in recent times and the below articles aptly details out the causes and the sentiment.
Nothing positive in Indo-US ties since nuclear deal - Times Of India (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-04-29/india/29487082_1_nuclear-deal-nuclear-liability-law-indian-nuclear-power-sector)
"Its unclear whether he(Obama) will listen to his advisers to pay India back for its decision(MMRCA)."
Outsourcing.. Immigration ...Trading.. India Opening couple of more sector for MNC to invest all are related.. Shortly we will hear news about India Opening Retail or some other sector for MNCs to invest or open shop.. Remember one of India's biggest Export is Skilled Man power .. be it IT engineers,Nurses,Plumbers etc...
India on the other hand too has always lobbied the US on H1Bs and overall outsourcing issue and the deliberate maligning of Indian outsourcing companies was responded to with a warning by India that the US will be seriously disadvantaged in its other trade with India should US politicians continue to target Indian IT companies and IT engineers particularly.
This was clear in the Doha talks starting in 2007 and later years in where India chose to bring specifically the H1-B visa issue always , although the Doha talks might not have been the right forum to bring such issues. ( see link below )
India Links Visa Flap with Doha Talks (http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/may2007/gb20070518_492934.htm)
"The country's Commerce & Industry Minister says stories of work visa abuse by outsourcing companies could hurt chances for a global trade deal "
So the carrot of "Global trade" with India was being used very effectively so far by India to lobby for getting other concessions in the outsourcing industry and I am not sure how much this is going to be possible now .
In reality the level of Indo US relations has reached has never been so low in recent times and the below articles aptly details out the causes and the sentiment.
Nothing positive in Indo-US ties since nuclear deal - Times Of India (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-04-29/india/29487082_1_nuclear-deal-nuclear-liability-law-indian-nuclear-power-sector)
"Its unclear whether he(Obama) will listen to his advisers to pay India back for its decision(MMRCA)."
Outsourcing.. Immigration ...Trading.. India Opening couple of more sector for MNC to invest all are related.. Shortly we will hear news about India Opening Retail or some other sector for MNCs to invest or open shop.. Remember one of India's biggest Export is Skilled Man power .. be it IT engineers,Nurses,Plumbers etc...
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mnq1979
08-22 10:18 AM
I wonder what is this article all about !!! pls. post the text here so that we can read it !!!!!:)
gc_on_demand
11-21 11:29 AM
Dear Friends,
As per yesterday�s floor summary (access link below), the House of Congress has been adjourned and this marks the end of the business activity in the house of the110th Congress. House will re-convene at 11:00 a.m. on January 3, 2009 and that will be the first session of the 111th Congress.
Floor Summary: http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.html
3:02 P.M. -
The House adjourned pursuant to H. Con. Res. 440. The next meeting is scheduled for 11:00 a.m. on January 3, 2009.
HR 5882 introduced in the 110th Congress will no longer valid for consideration in the 111th Congress and a new RECAPTURE bill has to be introduced in 111th Congress with the same contents of HR 5882 in order for us to obtain some relief.
I think we should start our campaign now itself, targeting Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] and Rep Sensenbrenner, F. James, Jr. [WI-5], for the RE-INTRODUCTION of the RECAPTURE bill during the first week of the 111th Congress.
Also, it is very important NOT to campaign for the expansion of the scope of this bill at this point of time as that will make this bill to get ignored and become a reason to add the whole relief measures to a Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill which may take 1-2 years to get passed depending on the political landscape.
We should ask Hon. Zoe and Hon. Sensenbrenner to introduce this as an emergency relief measure and try to get this passed during the first quarter itself.
Once this bill gets introduced, we could request all previous Co-Sponsors of HR 5882 to become Co-Sponsors of the new bill.
So at this point, we should send mails to Rep Lofgren, Zoe and Rep Sensenbrenner, F. James, Jr. encouraging them to re-introduce the RECAPTURE bill.
Let�s keep HOPE alive!
I was pushing it for week. I tried to email her. It didnot work out.. On her website if you are not from her constitute it will not allow to send message. I called her office to and lady asked me details first like name , address and she said I should call my local rep. Also she didnot give any details on HR 5882. I was asking support from some member from her consitute and get the thing going ..no one showed interest. People are busy on AC21 thing. I think its good for them but doesnot matter for me who didont even file I 485.
We are in such a minority in terms of immigrants. 12 mil Illegal Vs 500k legal ( who are waiting for visa ) Out of that who knows how many we are on this site ? may be 10 % or less.. and people starts campaign for AC21 which brings number even smaller. How can we get success... We should think broad. The whole point of this was forum should be for every one. I know we had done a progress. (1) We did good job on July fiasco. only helped those who were waiting for filling 485.. ( may be 90 % of population of this site . )
(2) then we did good job for 2 year of EAD
(3) Now AC21..
but this is helping only few % of us. and becoming less and less as some senior members get GC and leave site.. In order to attrack more and more people we should be broad. Our primary goal should be Backlog and increase visa .. Unless congress increase visa nothing will happen to backlog.
Good start and let me know if you need some help on this campaign.
As per yesterday�s floor summary (access link below), the House of Congress has been adjourned and this marks the end of the business activity in the house of the110th Congress. House will re-convene at 11:00 a.m. on January 3, 2009 and that will be the first session of the 111th Congress.
Floor Summary: http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.html
3:02 P.M. -
The House adjourned pursuant to H. Con. Res. 440. The next meeting is scheduled for 11:00 a.m. on January 3, 2009.
HR 5882 introduced in the 110th Congress will no longer valid for consideration in the 111th Congress and a new RECAPTURE bill has to be introduced in 111th Congress with the same contents of HR 5882 in order for us to obtain some relief.
I think we should start our campaign now itself, targeting Rep Lofgren, Zoe [CA-16] and Rep Sensenbrenner, F. James, Jr. [WI-5], for the RE-INTRODUCTION of the RECAPTURE bill during the first week of the 111th Congress.
Also, it is very important NOT to campaign for the expansion of the scope of this bill at this point of time as that will make this bill to get ignored and become a reason to add the whole relief measures to a Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill which may take 1-2 years to get passed depending on the political landscape.
We should ask Hon. Zoe and Hon. Sensenbrenner to introduce this as an emergency relief measure and try to get this passed during the first quarter itself.
Once this bill gets introduced, we could request all previous Co-Sponsors of HR 5882 to become Co-Sponsors of the new bill.
So at this point, we should send mails to Rep Lofgren, Zoe and Rep Sensenbrenner, F. James, Jr. encouraging them to re-introduce the RECAPTURE bill.
Let�s keep HOPE alive!
I was pushing it for week. I tried to email her. It didnot work out.. On her website if you are not from her constitute it will not allow to send message. I called her office to and lady asked me details first like name , address and she said I should call my local rep. Also she didnot give any details on HR 5882. I was asking support from some member from her consitute and get the thing going ..no one showed interest. People are busy on AC21 thing. I think its good for them but doesnot matter for me who didont even file I 485.
We are in such a minority in terms of immigrants. 12 mil Illegal Vs 500k legal ( who are waiting for visa ) Out of that who knows how many we are on this site ? may be 10 % or less.. and people starts campaign for AC21 which brings number even smaller. How can we get success... We should think broad. The whole point of this was forum should be for every one. I know we had done a progress. (1) We did good job on July fiasco. only helped those who were waiting for filling 485.. ( may be 90 % of population of this site . )
(2) then we did good job for 2 year of EAD
(3) Now AC21..
but this is helping only few % of us. and becoming less and less as some senior members get GC and leave site.. In order to attrack more and more people we should be broad. Our primary goal should be Backlog and increase visa .. Unless congress increase visa nothing will happen to backlog.
Good start and let me know if you need some help on this campaign.
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bekugc
07-19 10:48 AM
I read somewhere that doctors abroad who do the tests for consular processing cannot be used for AOS medicals.
u'll get RFE only if theres is a mistake in medicals, if there is NO medicals in the 485 packet, i think ur appln will be outright sent back.
whats ur PD, if its in the range of 2000 u still have hope that in next few months ur date becoems eligible for AOS.
ive heard that there are some doctors out there (of questionable integrity) who accept cash and give out medical reports. even tho this is a backdoor approach, u can make a few calls and give it a try. to make ur case more genuine, try to get a list of all attributes recorded in the blood and skin test, and get those done promptly done in india. atleast let the doctor copy over ur wifes actual stats rather than inventing it. If ur case is genuine, may be someone will be merciful to help u out of ur predicament.
Preponing visa interview without very valid reason cud be harmful. u never know, if they catch ur wife telling a lie then ull be walking on thin ice.
last year my friend visited india...he is on 7the year H1, and got 3 yrs extn based on 140. he had attached copy of approved 140 as proof...the chennai visa officer only asked him "is ur company paying for ur GC or you urself" ..he answered Company is paying full amount. and they gave him the visa. :-) if Govt is using approved 140 to give 3 yrs extn, obviously they know the intent to get GC...i dont believe telling truth that ur company is processing GC for you is going to harm you.
its just my opinion!!!
u'll get RFE only if theres is a mistake in medicals, if there is NO medicals in the 485 packet, i think ur appln will be outright sent back.
whats ur PD, if its in the range of 2000 u still have hope that in next few months ur date becoems eligible for AOS.
ive heard that there are some doctors out there (of questionable integrity) who accept cash and give out medical reports. even tho this is a backdoor approach, u can make a few calls and give it a try. to make ur case more genuine, try to get a list of all attributes recorded in the blood and skin test, and get those done promptly done in india. atleast let the doctor copy over ur wifes actual stats rather than inventing it. If ur case is genuine, may be someone will be merciful to help u out of ur predicament.
Preponing visa interview without very valid reason cud be harmful. u never know, if they catch ur wife telling a lie then ull be walking on thin ice.
last year my friend visited india...he is on 7the year H1, and got 3 yrs extn based on 140. he had attached copy of approved 140 as proof...the chennai visa officer only asked him "is ur company paying for ur GC or you urself" ..he answered Company is paying full amount. and they gave him the visa. :-) if Govt is using approved 140 to give 3 yrs extn, obviously they know the intent to get GC...i dont believe telling truth that ur company is processing GC for you is going to harm you.
its just my opinion!!!
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like_watching_paint_dry
02-27 03:15 PM
LOL. This thread again...
They gamble, they lose and then they whine about rules being unfair here.
And this willwin guy has the nerve to give me a red mark on my post saying I'm not being diplomatic... like I care about being diplomatic when they want IV to shift its primary focus in order to cater to such ridiculous asks!! If I wanted to be diplomatic, I'd have come here on foreign service. :rolleyes:
They gamble, they lose and then they whine about rules being unfair here.
And this willwin guy has the nerve to give me a red mark on my post saying I'm not being diplomatic... like I care about being diplomatic when they want IV to shift its primary focus in order to cater to such ridiculous asks!! If I wanted to be diplomatic, I'd have come here on foreign service. :rolleyes:
Jaime
08-31 10:38 PM
It worked now after 2 days. I think my explorer settings need work. I don't know much about them
I have never thought about slogans. Will keep that in mind. What is the deadline?
We need a slogan that mentions H1B's contribution to Social Security. I have not been able to find an article that mentions it. There are lot articles that mention undocumented workers contribution in billions. Just imagine how much we must have contributed and NO ONE mentions it
Macaca, what a great idea! Can you or someone approximate the figure f how much we have cntributed to SS (and better yet, how much would stop going into SS if we all left in a reverse brain drain)
Also, that phrase is starting to catch on on the media "Reverse Brain Drain" that could be a slogan "Help us Prevent America's 1st Ever Reverse Brain Drain" yet...I wouldn't want it to sound like a threat....
I have never thought about slogans. Will keep that in mind. What is the deadline?
We need a slogan that mentions H1B's contribution to Social Security. I have not been able to find an article that mentions it. There are lot articles that mention undocumented workers contribution in billions. Just imagine how much we must have contributed and NO ONE mentions it
Macaca, what a great idea! Can you or someone approximate the figure f how much we have cntributed to SS (and better yet, how much would stop going into SS if we all left in a reverse brain drain)
Also, that phrase is starting to catch on on the media "Reverse Brain Drain" that could be a slogan "Help us Prevent America's 1st Ever Reverse Brain Drain" yet...I wouldn't want it to sound like a threat....
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little_willy
08-07 06:06 PM
I hope you are talking to an attorney regarding your situation, do not rely on forum information alone.
AFAIK, H-1 or F-1 for your future wife appears to be the best bet. Good Luck!
AFAIK, H-1 or F-1 for your future wife appears to be the best bet. Good Luck!
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wellwishergc
04-10 09:15 PM
I understand!!! I was just kidding..:); I will call it a night.. It was a pleasure talking to you..
Bye for now..
Ah, but that was the private sector -- not head bashing against slow governmental bureaucracy. You'd be surprised to know what is going on with MS's current efforts on these matters.
Bye for now..
Ah, but that was the private sector -- not head bashing against slow governmental bureaucracy. You'd be surprised to know what is going on with MS's current efforts on these matters.
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howzatt
07-02 04:00 PM
Roughly $ 500.
Thanks ramus for starting this thread...
$500
Thanks ramus for starting this thread...
$500
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mdmd10
10-10 09:31 AM
After folks start getting their EAD, God alone knows how many "New" desi bodyshopper's like this will spring up.
All those so called "Enterpreneurs" a.k.a desi bodyshoppers...Perhaps if someone started a company that actually makes something rather than just contracting....more jobs, more value...
I feel everyone of us has the potential to have such a vision...after all isn't this the land of opportunities
Perhaps it is wise only to dream....
All those so called "Enterpreneurs" a.k.a desi bodyshoppers...Perhaps if someone started a company that actually makes something rather than just contracting....more jobs, more value...
I feel everyone of us has the potential to have such a vision...after all isn't this the land of opportunities
Perhaps it is wise only to dream....
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qplearn
12-12 01:41 PM
I think that the DOS (Dept of State) releases VISA Numbers on a quarterly basis. If that is the case, there should be movement in EB2 India in Jan 2007.
QT:
You mean Feb of 07, right?
QT:
You mean Feb of 07, right?
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dupedinjuly
07-13 04:44 PM
DREAM act does not benefit Highly Skilled Immigrants in anyway. Let someone else lobby for it. If you think there is something important that affects/benefits us, then please post that.
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pan123
12-20 07:31 PM
Guys,
This is really a great news for all of us. I have one question to some of experts on this forum.
I had my H1 which expired in last month. As a result I converted my status to H4.
With this new relief rule,
Can I just change my status from H4 to H1 thru same employer or I will have to apply for new H1 on Apr 1, 2007 and my work starting date will be Oct 1, 2007?
Thanks,
This is really a great news for all of us. I have one question to some of experts on this forum.
I had my H1 which expired in last month. As a result I converted my status to H4.
With this new relief rule,
Can I just change my status from H4 to H1 thru same employer or I will have to apply for new H1 on Apr 1, 2007 and my work starting date will be Oct 1, 2007?
Thanks,
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ItIsNotFunny
04-13 01:04 PM
I guess they are on their way to make ROW current in all categories. Good news for ROW, not encouraging news for India & China annddddddddd Mexico too!
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07-28 01:26 PM
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GKBest
08-20 03:56 PM
This is really sad and very unethical. As my lawyer would put it, the I-140 is owned by the employer that's why he was hesitant at first to give me a copy. So I guess, your employer can do this. I think he knows that you won't have the gut to expose him since this will also put you in an awkward situation since you paid for your labor and I-140 which, strictly speaking, is against the immigration law.
Think of other ways to get even with him.
Think of other ways to get even with him.
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sheela
03-26 09:23 PM
I too thought that it could be a hoax call. But When I discussed with my employer and came to know the name of the person who called me is same as that of person who visited our employer 2 months back, then I realized that it is not a hoax call.
But I really don't understand what was the purpose and why I got such call and why he did not show up. Till now there is no communication from the officer.
Can you update on this
But I really don't understand what was the purpose and why I got such call and why he did not show up. Till now there is no communication from the officer.
Can you update on this
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andy garcia
02-01 03:17 PM
OK, they'll raise the fees (I can live with that). But how do we improve the chances of better services?
USCIS is asking for comments....If IV would be so kind as to submit comments for the raising of the fees. I humbly throw these out for discussion:
Accept the fee increases providing:
1) That USCIS propose public standards of reducing processing times to 30 days+10 day security check.. Automatically produce an EAD if it takes longer. Hey. We're all still in the country whether the process succeeds or not right? We would just appeal, submit more info or beat it until it's done. Who's any safer?
2) That RFEs not be used to manage work levels. Plus they ought not to reset the 90 day clock to zero if they issue one. That is ridiculous and unheard of.
3) That they simplifiy applications (a la Canada) so that "lay persons" can (carefully) fill in the forms. Lawyers not required.
4) That the USCIS abide by the laws. Especially regarding FBI name checking. We have a duty to follow the law. I'm careful to do so. The government should be careful to do so as well.. Call me a radical.
5) That they publish proposals to stream line the process with modern business methods and concrete goals. The increases should be tied to fulfilling stated goals of improvements of service. Otherwise they roll back. Have a 3rd (independent) party decide if the goals have been met in three years.
If we tax payers are giving them extraordinary increases in fees, we should at least expect some meaningful process improvements. Simply claiming that they need-the-cash-for-process-improvements is not sufficient. What is to prevent them from using the money to give everyone big raises and bonuses and a nice fancy new office, and big fancy new computers if they're going to continue to use paper and use the computers to access rickety old systems with terminal emulators? I'd love to deal with happy USCIS employees, but I'd love it even more if I had to deal efficient USCIS employees. (Give them the tools and they'll be happier!)
Be careful with point 3 lawyers will not be happy.
You can add
6. Stop using Commodore 64 for processing applications. Move to something called Doors ... sorry Windows;)
USCIS is asking for comments....If IV would be so kind as to submit comments for the raising of the fees. I humbly throw these out for discussion:
Accept the fee increases providing:
1) That USCIS propose public standards of reducing processing times to 30 days+10 day security check.. Automatically produce an EAD if it takes longer. Hey. We're all still in the country whether the process succeeds or not right? We would just appeal, submit more info or beat it until it's done. Who's any safer?
2) That RFEs not be used to manage work levels. Plus they ought not to reset the 90 day clock to zero if they issue one. That is ridiculous and unheard of.
3) That they simplifiy applications (a la Canada) so that "lay persons" can (carefully) fill in the forms. Lawyers not required.
4) That the USCIS abide by the laws. Especially regarding FBI name checking. We have a duty to follow the law. I'm careful to do so. The government should be careful to do so as well.. Call me a radical.
5) That they publish proposals to stream line the process with modern business methods and concrete goals. The increases should be tied to fulfilling stated goals of improvements of service. Otherwise they roll back. Have a 3rd (independent) party decide if the goals have been met in three years.
If we tax payers are giving them extraordinary increases in fees, we should at least expect some meaningful process improvements. Simply claiming that they need-the-cash-for-process-improvements is not sufficient. What is to prevent them from using the money to give everyone big raises and bonuses and a nice fancy new office, and big fancy new computers if they're going to continue to use paper and use the computers to access rickety old systems with terminal emulators? I'd love to deal with happy USCIS employees, but I'd love it even more if I had to deal efficient USCIS employees. (Give them the tools and they'll be happier!)
Be careful with point 3 lawyers will not be happy.
You can add
6. Stop using Commodore 64 for processing applications. Move to something called Doors ... sorry Windows;)
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Sheila Danzig
02-25 09:17 PM
I apologize. I did not left the default on many of the points. I have changed them now. The questions don't allow for people who are not applying for anything. I did not mean to solicit business. Some of my clients have asked me to post here and clear up some issues. I get 90% of my business from attorneys and employers, not from chat boards.
We have never taken more than authorized on the card. The form is automated and submitted by the client. We never even see the card #. If anyone has a problem with double submissions (if they hit submit twice) we always credit back.
You are soliciting business from IV site. You don't have a disclaimer or no shame in doing that. You filled your charge country as UK and pretend to be GC aspirant. You can advertise your thing by paying IV, not by these cheap method of interfering here. I know you suck a big amount from people approching your firm for evaluation and take more amount (than the authorized) from them using the credit card details on file by giving lame excuse. I know many friend burn their hands.
We have never taken more than authorized on the card. The form is automated and submitted by the client. We never even see the card #. If anyone has a problem with double submissions (if they hit submit twice) we always credit back.
You are soliciting business from IV site. You don't have a disclaimer or no shame in doing that. You filled your charge country as UK and pretend to be GC aspirant. You can advertise your thing by paying IV, not by these cheap method of interfering here. I know you suck a big amount from people approching your firm for evaluation and take more amount (than the authorized) from them using the credit card details on file by giving lame excuse. I know many friend burn their hands.
HV000
02-15 02:47 PM
I have notice one more soft LUD on new I 129. I don't know whats going on.
Any one with same or similar experience?
Hi shana,
Don't think tooo much about this. Nobody knows exactly how and when LUD is updated.
Any one with same or similar experience?
Hi shana,
Don't think tooo much about this. Nobody knows exactly how and when LUD is updated.
nrk
10-27 11:20 AM
Hi Saileshdude,
Here are my responses
I see various possibilities. Best bet would be to take Infopass soon and find out.
1) DHS trying some new exercises which are completely new. I thought we had seen it all but this is a new one.
Ans: No idea o this.
2) Do you have any case against you (ciminal or civil) in your home country?
Ans: Never been to a police station here or any where (I mean to say no cases at all)
3) Did you have any unlawful status of more than 6 months during your presence in US.
Ans: Never
4) Do you have any case pending here?
Ans: No
5) Did you, in past, provide any fake documentation or info pertaining to any benefit you were seeking?
Ans: No.
Apart from this i have seen 3 cases in .com today all the cases were files a service request in TSC either on 10/14/2009 or 10/15/2009 resulted the same status.
nrk,
I see various possibilities. Best bet would be to take Infopass soon and find out.
1) DHS trying some new exercises which are completely new. I thought we had seen it all but this is a new one.
2) Do you have any case against you (ciminal or civil) in your home country?
3) Did you have any unlawful status of more than 6 months during your presence in US.
4) Do you have any case pending here?
5) Did you, in past, provide any fake documentation or info pertaining to any benefit you were seeking?
These are just few things that may cause this.
Do update us what you find out after Infopass.
Here are my responses
I see various possibilities. Best bet would be to take Infopass soon and find out.
1) DHS trying some new exercises which are completely new. I thought we had seen it all but this is a new one.
Ans: No idea o this.
2) Do you have any case against you (ciminal or civil) in your home country?
Ans: Never been to a police station here or any where (I mean to say no cases at all)
3) Did you have any unlawful status of more than 6 months during your presence in US.
Ans: Never
4) Do you have any case pending here?
Ans: No
5) Did you, in past, provide any fake documentation or info pertaining to any benefit you were seeking?
Ans: No.
Apart from this i have seen 3 cases in .com today all the cases were files a service request in TSC either on 10/14/2009 or 10/15/2009 resulted the same status.
nrk,
I see various possibilities. Best bet would be to take Infopass soon and find out.
1) DHS trying some new exercises which are completely new. I thought we had seen it all but this is a new one.
2) Do you have any case against you (ciminal or civil) in your home country?
3) Did you have any unlawful status of more than 6 months during your presence in US.
4) Do you have any case pending here?
5) Did you, in past, provide any fake documentation or info pertaining to any benefit you were seeking?
These are just few things that may cause this.
Do update us what you find out after Infopass.
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