rocky123
05-01 09:31 PM
I complete 6 yrs on H1-B in August, 2007
Have PERM/I-140 approved with 3 yr H1B extension from August 2007 to Feb 2010.
Have a good job offer from company B, but seek your clarifications before I move further.
a. If I move now, can I take my 3 yr extension filed by company A with me or
b. should I join company B in September 2007( when I complete 6 yrs) during the 3 yr H1B extension period ?
Kindly help me out.
I am not worried abt porting the PD as I don't mind waiting on H1 forever as the wait for GC
is making my life miserable.
Thanks
Have PERM/I-140 approved with 3 yr H1B extension from August 2007 to Feb 2010.
Have a good job offer from company B, but seek your clarifications before I move further.
a. If I move now, can I take my 3 yr extension filed by company A with me or
b. should I join company B in September 2007( when I complete 6 yrs) during the 3 yr H1B extension period ?
Kindly help me out.
I am not worried abt porting the PD as I don't mind waiting on H1 forever as the wait for GC
is making my life miserable.
Thanks
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Gravitation
01-02 01:00 PM
On H1 you can setup business, invest in , take profits ,but you should not be on payroll ( in otherwords you cannot be an employee of your own company based on H1 status ).
What you say is mostly correct. Something needs to be added: You can found a company and it can sponosor you for your H1B (even if it's for a part time job)... and you can work for it... but... it should be a genuine company and it's aim shouldn't be solely to sponsoer you for H1B. Very very severe scrutiny of all docs and all stages expected... making it practically a very very long shot.
What you say is mostly correct. Something needs to be added: You can found a company and it can sponosor you for your H1B (even if it's for a part time job)... and you can work for it... but... it should be a genuine company and it's aim shouldn't be solely to sponsoer you for H1B. Very very severe scrutiny of all docs and all stages expected... making it practically a very very long shot.
bslraju
05-26 04:16 PM
Dear Members:
My Lawyer was suggested that we request porting PD after the second I 140 gets approved instead of doing it at the time of applying for second I 140.
They have mentioned that, If we request porting of 140 , Then in case if it is denied then 485 also gets denied(because this is linked to the new 140). This is according to Nebraska service center press release in Nov 2010.
They suggested that I am on EAD and no longer maintaining H1 since 2008, its better apply interfiling/porting after second 140 is approved.
Guys, had any one come across this situation ? can you please advise?
Thank you in advance
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My Lawyer was suggested that we request porting PD after the second I 140 gets approved instead of doing it at the time of applying for second I 140.
They have mentioned that, If we request porting of 140 , Then in case if it is denied then 485 also gets denied(because this is linked to the new 140). This is according to Nebraska service center press release in Nov 2010.
They suggested that I am on EAD and no longer maintaining H1 since 2008, its better apply interfiling/porting after second 140 is approved.
Guys, had any one come across this situation ? can you please advise?
Thank you in advance
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03-05 01:53 PM
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ca_immigrant
04-15 08:20 PM
So I have sent them 2 applications
one for my daughter (add OCI to new passport) and one for my son (get new PIO)
All have same documents and so have sent proof of address for both the applications.
My son's got flagged for missing proof of address and so sent them the DL copy (mine, do not have wife's will try sending them the AP as you folks have mentioned, thanks !)
Intrestingly my daughter's got flagged for missing photo copies and have been charged $20 for 10 pages :mad: which by the way I am sure I had sent to them...
and now they are saying I have not sent the old passport that has the U visa.
Now this is a new requirement and was not there previously , before they were asking only for copy of old visa. I have a print out of the requirements from the day I filed.
Apparently, the indian consualte keeps chaing requirements every day is what I was told over the phone.
and reaching them seems to be a very painful wait :( 30 minutes to 1 hour at the least
So far I must say I am not impressed with thier service...but anyways why will they care
just venting out !!
one for my daughter (add OCI to new passport) and one for my son (get new PIO)
All have same documents and so have sent proof of address for both the applications.
My son's got flagged for missing proof of address and so sent them the DL copy (mine, do not have wife's will try sending them the AP as you folks have mentioned, thanks !)
Intrestingly my daughter's got flagged for missing photo copies and have been charged $20 for 10 pages :mad: which by the way I am sure I had sent to them...
and now they are saying I have not sent the old passport that has the U visa.
Now this is a new requirement and was not there previously , before they were asking only for copy of old visa. I have a print out of the requirements from the day I filed.
Apparently, the indian consualte keeps chaing requirements every day is what I was told over the phone.
and reaching them seems to be a very painful wait :( 30 minutes to 1 hour at the least
So far I must say I am not impressed with thier service...but anyways why will they care
just venting out !!
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jambapamba
07-13 08:01 AM
What about ... "Allow 485 apps based on original July bulletin(accept July filers only)"
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subarashi_indo
11-30 08:32 AM
I have a passport expiry and new visa stamping conflict. My last visa stamping expired on Oct 01, 2009. And my current (Indian)passport expiration date is July 04, 2011. Also, my H1b approval is under the transfer process (so I don't have the new I-797 as yet). I'm planning to travel to India sometime in January, expecting the new H1b approval soon now.
Should i get my passport renewed here before leaving for India ? I'm worried if they will give me a new passport valid only for a year as a note on the website says "A passport is also issued for one year in cases of expiry of valid U.S. residence visa. In such cases, applicants have to apply for extension of validity as soon as valid U.S. Residence visa is approved. There is no fee for extension of validity of passport."
Since my last visa stamping has expired and I will soon have a new H1B, if i go for a new visa stamping, will I be given a visa with validity until my passport expiry ? Or, I can get my passport renewed in India and then go for the stamping? I'm afraid I may not have enough days to squeeze in both when I visit. Or, if i get my passport renewed here, are they going to give me a new passport only valid for a year since I don't have any valid visa stamping but a valid I797?
Please advise.
Thank you.
Should i get my passport renewed here before leaving for India ? I'm worried if they will give me a new passport valid only for a year as a note on the website says "A passport is also issued for one year in cases of expiry of valid U.S. residence visa. In such cases, applicants have to apply for extension of validity as soon as valid U.S. Residence visa is approved. There is no fee for extension of validity of passport."
Since my last visa stamping has expired and I will soon have a new H1B, if i go for a new visa stamping, will I be given a visa with validity until my passport expiry ? Or, I can get my passport renewed in India and then go for the stamping? I'm afraid I may not have enough days to squeeze in both when I visit. Or, if i get my passport renewed here, are they going to give me a new passport only valid for a year since I don't have any valid visa stamping but a valid I797?
Please advise.
Thank you.
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uslegals
11-11 10:32 AM
thanks chakdepatte !...where do u mail all the docs...?? I read somewhere about a lock box and NOT directly to service center.?
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Madhuri
11-26 12:09 PM
Is it really possible to move back to H1 with a new company from EAD, in case 1> you have approved 140
2> you have not used the entire of 3 year extension that you received b'cos of approved 140,and started using EAD.
I am not sure we can do this.
yes you can. Since your PD indicates your LC is >365 days old.
new H1 is same as transfer, there is no real difference in application etc. I assume you are moving from AOS-pending/EAD to an H1.
2> you have not used the entire of 3 year extension that you received b'cos of approved 140,and started using EAD.
I am not sure we can do this.
yes you can. Since your PD indicates your LC is >365 days old.
new H1 is same as transfer, there is no real difference in application etc. I assume you are moving from AOS-pending/EAD to an H1.
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snathan
08-25 10:54 PM
Thank you for clarifying snathan. The company will definitely not do anything illegal, in fact it is the legality that is creating challenges. One other question came up today. If a qualified candidates applies for the job (PERM), does the company have to accept the candidate and let me go? All of these questions did not come up while filing EB3 but they are now concerned.
Yes. thats the law.
Yes. thats the law.
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08-13 01:20 PM
Hi,
Can you tell me what your lawyer sent to the USCIS. How did he link the approved 140 to the pending 485. Did he fill any form? I am in the same boat. My both 140's are with the same company though.
Thanks
Whatever my Lawyer has done , has not worked so far, I guess he sent copies of both I140's and a letter requesting to use the EB3 PD with the EB2 case.
Can you tell me what your lawyer sent to the USCIS. How did he link the approved 140 to the pending 485. Did he fill any form? I am in the same boat. My both 140's are with the same company though.
Thanks
Whatever my Lawyer has done , has not worked so far, I guess he sent copies of both I140's and a letter requesting to use the EB3 PD with the EB2 case.
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gg_ny
09-18 03:16 PM
http://felcom.nih.gov/
The above suggested url is to NIH fellows committee, mainly consisting of postdocs. Most of the members should be working in Bethesda, and Frederick areas of Maryland and DC. It would help, for the Wpost article, to contact someone in this group and target some foreign researchers...as it falls right in the area.
FYI: many post graduate employees of NIH, immigrants / non-immgrants (J1) work as consultants to staffing companies contracted by NIH for the purpose.
They are not exempted from H1B cap and I believe cannot even process regular EB2 labor, but only EB2 NIW.
Immigration Voice would like to request members of its community stuck in the green card process that are scientists, researchers, professors and working in the area of national importance. Basically anything that will benefit this country in any way (economically, health related, sciences etc)
We would like make a strong case via media through such interviews and if we are successful in getting such interviews published, these media interviews would be used when presentations are made to lawmakers.
If you know of any such people please pass on this message.
Please respond with a brief detail about yourself and your contact information to jap219001 at yahoo.com and himanshu at immigrationvoice.org
The above suggested url is to NIH fellows committee, mainly consisting of postdocs. Most of the members should be working in Bethesda, and Frederick areas of Maryland and DC. It would help, for the Wpost article, to contact someone in this group and target some foreign researchers...as it falls right in the area.
FYI: many post graduate employees of NIH, immigrants / non-immgrants (J1) work as consultants to staffing companies contracted by NIH for the purpose.
They are not exempted from H1B cap and I believe cannot even process regular EB2 labor, but only EB2 NIW.
Immigration Voice would like to request members of its community stuck in the green card process that are scientists, researchers, professors and working in the area of national importance. Basically anything that will benefit this country in any way (economically, health related, sciences etc)
We would like make a strong case via media through such interviews and if we are successful in getting such interviews published, these media interviews would be used when presentations are made to lawmakers.
If you know of any such people please pass on this message.
Please respond with a brief detail about yourself and your contact information to jap219001 at yahoo.com and himanshu at immigrationvoice.org
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alterego
01-03 12:28 AM
Pending AOS or 485 is a type of legal status. It also allows you to apply for additional work and travel privileges as long as the underlying 485 remains pending. If you choose not to avail yourself of those benefits that that is up to you. You would end up in trouble only if you violate that by then working or travelling (absent the USCIS permission through EAD or AP). As long as you just sit there and especially if you are a derivative beneficiary, there is no problem.
That said, many people choose to get EAD/AP in hand in case an employment opportunity or an emergency need for travel comes up. Remember an EAD/AP application may take up to 3mths to get approved.
That said, many people choose to get EAD/AP in hand in case an employment opportunity or an emergency need for travel comes up. Remember an EAD/AP application may take up to 3mths to get approved.
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This great summary is provided by AILA with the guidance of Amy Fox-Isicoff. The EB5 program is of great interest to many applicants, especially those with the means to participate. he EB-5, Green Card through investment, was created to promote investments in businesses and to create and preserve jobs in the U.S. You can become a lawful permanent resident by establishing a new commercial enterprise and provide full-time employment to at least ten U.S. citizens, legal permanent residents, or other immigrants with employment authorization.
Under section 203(b)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. � 1153(b)(5), 10,000 immigrant visas per year are available to qualified individuals seeking permanent resident status on the basis of their engagement in a new commercial enterprise.
Of these 10,000 visas, 5,000 are set aside for those who apply under a pilot program involving a CIS-designated "Regional Center."
What is a Regional Center (RC)?
A RC is a proposed business venture often located in a targeted unemployment area supported by an econometric model based on a business plan forecasting indirect and/or direct job creation. Normally, RCs are located in areas of high unemployment or rural areas and require a $500,000 investment. However, some RCs are not located in targeted employment areas and therefore require investments of $1,000,000. An investor in an RC is not required to be actively involved in the management of the investment as long as the investor is a limited partner under the Uniform Limited Partnership Act. An RC normally structures one or more new commercial enterprises (NCE) that receive capital from investors to engage in direct or indirect job creation project or projects.
What does RC designation by USCIS mean?
It means that USCIS has reviewed the proposed business plan, any accompanying econometric model, location, and proposed job creation and has determined that the proposed business plan meets the requirements of The Immigrant Investor Pilot Program, created by Section 610 of Public Law 102-395 on October 6, 1992.
Are all RCs that have received designation from USCIS operational?
No, actually only a small percent of designated RCs are operational and have been the basis for approved I-526 Immigrant Petitions by Alien Entrepreneur. Even a smaller percentage have approved I-829 Petitions to Remove Conditions on Residence.
Is USCIS required to conduct background checks on RC managers or directors?
No.
Does USCIS monitor the performance of RCs?
No. USCIS has sent out questionnaires to RCs, but it is not clear at this time what USCIS is doing with the information obtained from the questionnaires.
Does USCIS publish a list of operational RCs and those with approved I-526 and I- 829 petitions?
While USCIS does publish a list of designated RCs, it does not publish which RCs are operational or which RCs have approved or denied I-526 and/or I-829 petitions.
If an RC is designated by USCIS, are all NCEs formed in the RC automatically
approved?
No, each NCE within the RC must meet the requirements of the requisite investment amount and job creation. If the NCE will be investing in another business, that business must meet the requisite employment creation.
Is there a process whereby USCIS provides pre-approval of an NCE within an RC?
Yes. USCIS has recently created a pre-approval process. However, this process is not taken advantage of by many RCs as the time to obtain pre-approval of an NCE can be extensive, inordinately delaying the NCE from receiving funds from investors. The preapproval process is so new that it has not been adequately time tested.
If USCIS has approved a number of I-526 petitions for an NCE or pre-approved an NCE is it a guarantee that future petitions for the same NCE will also be approved?
No. USCIS will always examine the source and path of funds of the individual investor and failure to carefully document this can result in the denial of the I-526 petition. More baffling is that on frequent occasions, USCIS has raised questions pertaining to NCEs that have a long track record of approvals, and USCIS can also raise questions pertaining to NCEs that have been pre-approved. USCIS has also raised questions concerning an NCE�s qualifications after approving an I-526, at the I-829 stage. Thus, prior approvals for the same NCE, pre-approval of an exemplar petition for an NCE and even the approval of an investor�s I-526 for a particular NCE, does not mean that the NCE will not be further scrutinized by USCIS.
What happens to an investor who invests in an NCE that never gets off the ground?
The initial I-526 petition may be approved based on the business plan and supporting documents, but the I-829 petition to remove conditions on residence will be denied.
If either the I- 526 or I- 829 is denied, will the invested funds be returned to the
investor?
This depends to some extent on the agreement between the investor and the RC. Some RCs hold funds in escrow pending approval of the I-526. Others do not. At the I-829 stage, it is doubtful that funds will be returned if the I-829 is denied as the funds must have been placed at risk in order for the I-526 to be approved in the first place. See Matter of Izumii, 22 I&N Dec. 169 (Assoc. Comm. 1998). The RC cannot provide any guarantee of the return of the invested funds if the I-829 is denied.
What happens to an investor if the I-829 is denied by USCIS?
The investor can renew the I-829 in removal proceedings before an immigration judge. If the I-829 is denied by the judge, the investor can appeal to the Board of Immigration Appeals and to federal court. If the investor does not prevail, the investor can be deported.
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Under section 203(b)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. � 1153(b)(5), 10,000 immigrant visas per year are available to qualified individuals seeking permanent resident status on the basis of their engagement in a new commercial enterprise.
Of these 10,000 visas, 5,000 are set aside for those who apply under a pilot program involving a CIS-designated "Regional Center."
What is a Regional Center (RC)?
A RC is a proposed business venture often located in a targeted unemployment area supported by an econometric model based on a business plan forecasting indirect and/or direct job creation. Normally, RCs are located in areas of high unemployment or rural areas and require a $500,000 investment. However, some RCs are not located in targeted employment areas and therefore require investments of $1,000,000. An investor in an RC is not required to be actively involved in the management of the investment as long as the investor is a limited partner under the Uniform Limited Partnership Act. An RC normally structures one or more new commercial enterprises (NCE) that receive capital from investors to engage in direct or indirect job creation project or projects.
What does RC designation by USCIS mean?
It means that USCIS has reviewed the proposed business plan, any accompanying econometric model, location, and proposed job creation and has determined that the proposed business plan meets the requirements of The Immigrant Investor Pilot Program, created by Section 610 of Public Law 102-395 on October 6, 1992.
Are all RCs that have received designation from USCIS operational?
No, actually only a small percent of designated RCs are operational and have been the basis for approved I-526 Immigrant Petitions by Alien Entrepreneur. Even a smaller percentage have approved I-829 Petitions to Remove Conditions on Residence.
Is USCIS required to conduct background checks on RC managers or directors?
No.
Does USCIS monitor the performance of RCs?
No. USCIS has sent out questionnaires to RCs, but it is not clear at this time what USCIS is doing with the information obtained from the questionnaires.
Does USCIS publish a list of operational RCs and those with approved I-526 and I- 829 petitions?
While USCIS does publish a list of designated RCs, it does not publish which RCs are operational or which RCs have approved or denied I-526 and/or I-829 petitions.
If an RC is designated by USCIS, are all NCEs formed in the RC automatically
approved?
No, each NCE within the RC must meet the requirements of the requisite investment amount and job creation. If the NCE will be investing in another business, that business must meet the requisite employment creation.
Is there a process whereby USCIS provides pre-approval of an NCE within an RC?
Yes. USCIS has recently created a pre-approval process. However, this process is not taken advantage of by many RCs as the time to obtain pre-approval of an NCE can be extensive, inordinately delaying the NCE from receiving funds from investors. The preapproval process is so new that it has not been adequately time tested.
If USCIS has approved a number of I-526 petitions for an NCE or pre-approved an NCE is it a guarantee that future petitions for the same NCE will also be approved?
No. USCIS will always examine the source and path of funds of the individual investor and failure to carefully document this can result in the denial of the I-526 petition. More baffling is that on frequent occasions, USCIS has raised questions pertaining to NCEs that have a long track record of approvals, and USCIS can also raise questions pertaining to NCEs that have been pre-approved. USCIS has also raised questions concerning an NCE�s qualifications after approving an I-526, at the I-829 stage. Thus, prior approvals for the same NCE, pre-approval of an exemplar petition for an NCE and even the approval of an investor�s I-526 for a particular NCE, does not mean that the NCE will not be further scrutinized by USCIS.
What happens to an investor who invests in an NCE that never gets off the ground?
The initial I-526 petition may be approved based on the business plan and supporting documents, but the I-829 petition to remove conditions on residence will be denied.
If either the I- 526 or I- 829 is denied, will the invested funds be returned to the
investor?
This depends to some extent on the agreement between the investor and the RC. Some RCs hold funds in escrow pending approval of the I-526. Others do not. At the I-829 stage, it is doubtful that funds will be returned if the I-829 is denied as the funds must have been placed at risk in order for the I-526 to be approved in the first place. See Matter of Izumii, 22 I&N Dec. 169 (Assoc. Comm. 1998). The RC cannot provide any guarantee of the return of the invested funds if the I-829 is denied.
What happens to an investor if the I-829 is denied by USCIS?
The investor can renew the I-829 in removal proceedings before an immigration judge. If the I-829 is denied by the judge, the investor can appeal to the Board of Immigration Appeals and to federal court. If the investor does not prevail, the investor can be deported.
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karanp25
07-06 03:34 AM
yes, u need to inform them of every small move u make, all ur life. this holds true even after ur us citizenship is approved.
Friends, I would like to know if I change job after I-140 & I-485 approval, do I still need to notify USCIS about AC-21. Also, will it require my new employer to provide a letter of job duties to confirm that the new job is either same or similar to the old one.
Thanks
Friends, I would like to know if I change job after I-140 & I-485 approval, do I still need to notify USCIS about AC-21. Also, will it require my new employer to provide a letter of job duties to confirm that the new job is either same or similar to the old one.
Thanks
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LostInGCProcess
11-06 02:47 PM
Guys,
I wonder if anyone has any info about this.
A friend comes here on h-1b. She works for 6 years on h1 and files for adjustment of status. She can't do 7th year due to PERM filed and approved less than a year ago. Now, her H-1B expired and she is her as AOS pending, without H1. Now, she is afraid there may be something wrong with her 485 and wants to switch back to H-1b. Can she do it? Can she do go back to H-1B status? The thing is that now her Perm and I140 are approved and she is entitled to 7th H-1B extension, but she is an "Adjustee". Please let me know if anyone was able to change from AOS to H-1B without leaving the US. Thank you for you info.
glus, Since she now has an approved I140, she is eligible for a 3 year H1 extension, provided her PD is not current. She need not be continuously be on H1 to be eligible for applying H1 for the 7th year.
Once you get the H1 paper, you would have to enter the US, so that the status changes from "Adjustee" to "admitted" i.e., H1 status...or, if the H-1B paper come with the I-94 stub, you need not travel out and get it.
I wonder if anyone has any info about this.
A friend comes here on h-1b. She works for 6 years on h1 and files for adjustment of status. She can't do 7th year due to PERM filed and approved less than a year ago. Now, her H-1B expired and she is her as AOS pending, without H1. Now, she is afraid there may be something wrong with her 485 and wants to switch back to H-1b. Can she do it? Can she do go back to H-1B status? The thing is that now her Perm and I140 are approved and she is entitled to 7th H-1B extension, but she is an "Adjustee". Please let me know if anyone was able to change from AOS to H-1B without leaving the US. Thank you for you info.
glus, Since she now has an approved I140, she is eligible for a 3 year H1 extension, provided her PD is not current. She need not be continuously be on H1 to be eligible for applying H1 for the 7th year.
Once you get the H1 paper, you would have to enter the US, so that the status changes from "Adjustee" to "admitted" i.e., H1 status...or, if the H-1B paper come with the I-94 stub, you need not travel out and get it.
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amsgc
11-26 01:34 AM
Cygnet,
There is no such thing as a transfer - every petition is a new petition.
In your case, you can be exempt from being counted in the yearly cap if your I-140 has been approved. While filing the petition, your new company will have to attach a copy of the approved I-140, or prove that your I-140 has been approved.
Hello Friends,
I filed for AOS on 07/2007, stopped using my current H1-B on 07/2008 (valid thru 07/2009). I am EB3-India PD 03/2005.
My question is if I can apply for a new H1-B thru a new company in the US now, instead of a transfer? I have a valid reason for doing that. Do let me know.
Thank you.
There is no such thing as a transfer - every petition is a new petition.
In your case, you can be exempt from being counted in the yearly cap if your I-140 has been approved. While filing the petition, your new company will have to attach a copy of the approved I-140, or prove that your I-140 has been approved.
Hello Friends,
I filed for AOS on 07/2007, stopped using my current H1-B on 07/2008 (valid thru 07/2009). I am EB3-India PD 03/2005.
My question is if I can apply for a new H1-B thru a new company in the US now, instead of a transfer? I have a valid reason for doing that. Do let me know.
Thank you.
ItIsNotFunny
10-24 01:51 PM
Why do you want to spent $2000 for lawyer for AC21? If you have same or similar offer letter, why cant you type a simple covering letter for your AC21?Do it yourself. US certified post cost around $2.00. Hiring lawyer for AC21 is waste of money.
This is true, unless you have some complication, don't go for attorney.
This is true, unless you have some complication, don't go for attorney.
liberty
05-07 10:28 AM
Currently I am in EAD, i-485 filed in July 2007 (EB3 ) and Pending. I have changed job. I would like to know the latest rules. Is it necessary to file AC21 in my case? If yes, please let me know which form I should use.
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